As I'm sure all of you are aware, this is Hockey Weekend Across America. (Did you remember to wear your favorite jersey to school on Friday?) Here at FanHouse, we were going to commemorate the occasion by celebrating the 15 years the U.S. has successfully kept Lord Stanley's chalice out of the syrup-covered hands of our neighbours to the nord, but we figured some members of the team might object to such blatant jingoism. Much more agreeable: A celebration of blood, fists and fury.One look at the indispensable HockeyFights.com list of U.S.-born pugilists leaves one feeling ... yeah, I think "underwhelmed" might be the word. All due respect to Chris Tamer and Jim Cummins, there aren't enough "punchers" and more than a few "speed bags." But here they are, in completely debatable order and with little regard for anything that occurred more than 30 years ago: The Top 10 U.S.-Born Fighters in NHL History...
10. Derian Hatcher (Born: Jun 4, 1972 - Sterling Heights, Michigan): He was able to use his size (6-5, 235) and strength in a fight, unleashing some real bombs in a brawl. Check out this tussle with Darren Langdon of the Rangers to see how he handled a fellow heavyweight. Is he a cheap-shot artist? Sure. Did he pick on undersized and weaker opponents? Absolutely ... but is there anything more American than that?
9. Jared Boll (May 13, 1986 - Crystal Lake, Illinois): Not exactly the longest paper trail for the Columbus pugilist yet, but there's no denying the potential. He's second in the NHL in penalty minutes this season. And judging from his birthplace, there's a chance he may have actually attended a Camp Crystal Lake at some point, which is about as hardcore as you can get.
8. Cam Janssen (Born: Apr 15, 1984 - St. Louis, Missouri): Same deal as Boll: Doesn't have the experience in the NHL, but has an impressive won/loss record. As you'll see going forward, part of the problem with today's fighters is that the NHL mimics professional boxing: The lack of true Probert-level heavyweights in the League today makes rating the newbies a little difficult. In other words, how good is Wladimir Klitschko if there's no Joe Frazier to match up against? Anyway, here are some of Janssen's greatest hits, to the tune of "Bulls on Parade":
7. Andre Roy (Born: Feb 8, 1975 - Port Chester, New York): One of those fighters with a cult of fan support behind him. He has well over 1,000 career penalty minutes. Infamous for earning a 13-game suspension for "leaving the penalty box to join an altercation and physical abuse of an official." Good times.
6. Mike Peluso (Born: Nov 08, 1965 - Hibbing, Minnesota): OK, so he cried when the Devils won the Stanley Cup in 1995. You try calling him a wuss, and let me know how that goes. Lost way more than he won, but was a tough customer in a brawl. Check out this fight with Langdon of the Rangers.
5. Shawn Cronin (Born: Aug 20, 1963 - Flushing, Michigan): In three seasons with Winnipeg, he had 703 penalty minutes and one goal. Cronin the Barbarian indeed.
4. George Parros (Born: Dec 29, 1979 - Washington, Pennsylvania): Coming into his own as one of the NHL's premiere pugilists. But he's so much more than that. I'll let Michael Farber of Sports Illustrated explain: The most improbable heavyweight in the National Hockey League wears a Boogie Nights mustache, speaks passable Spanish and graduated from Princeton in 2003 with a 3.16 grade point average and a degree in economics. George Parros is not the most famous pugnacious Princetonian -- former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld wrestled there in the early 1950s -- but the university is not exactly a haven for the cap-and-goon set. If throwing punches during hockey games seems an odd way for an Ivy Leaguer to make a living, it is no more bizarre than the careers of classmates whom Parros says are now in "I-banking," investment bankers who put in 15-hour days and sleep in their offices.3. Donald Brashear (Born: Jan 7, 1972 - Bedford, Indiana): I've read some fight fan criticism of Brash that claims he takes a bit of a buffet approach to hockey brawls -- picking and choosing who and when he'd like to battle rather than taking on all foes. I'll tell you this: He's one of the best players I've every spoken to in articulating why fighting belongs in hockey and the differences between someone like him and a talentless goon. More Brashear info from this Capitals "Pop-Up Video" segment:
2. Nick Fotiu (Born: May 25, 1952 - Staten Island, New York): Old school! David Singer of Hockeyfights.com, in an interview with Hockeybird, had this to say about the former Rangers enforcer:
One of the best Rangers fighters ever, easy. He had a pretty good reputation coming to the Rangers and the Rangers certainly needed a guy like him at the time, they just couldn't compete while being pushed around by the Flyers and the Bruins. When he beat Paul Holmgren and Behn Wilson, a NY legend was made. He lost some fights, sure, but he carried that rep, Fotiu brought intimidation and struck fear into many opponents when the Rangers really needed someone like that. He wasn't a volume fighter, but few were when he played.I absolutely love this fight clip, so stick with it: Nick Fotiu and Jim Schoenfeld talk, dance, talk, start grabbing at each other and then unleash hell at about the 1:30 mark:
1. Chris Nilan (Born: Feb 9, 1958 - Boston, Massachusetts): He was nicknamed "Knuckles," and he earned it with 3,043 penalty minutes in a career spent mostly with Montreal, taking part in some very memorable brawls. Nilan was one of those guys who was steamed when you'd call him a goon; he was an enforcer, and this is how he "enforced" Greg Smith back in 1981:
Nilan was interviewed by the Montreal Gazette last month in a "where are they now" article, and said something that I'm sure would be echoed by many of the players on this list:
"All I know is when I was playing, the guys were worrying that the Russians and the other Europeans were going to take our jobs," he said. "They took our jobs, all right, and they took our game, too.Xenophobic? Sure. Because as much as the game has changed, there are guys like Parros and Boll that will hopefully keep the tradition alive. And, perhaps, some impressionable young fan will watch them in action and decide that night that, indeed, he'd like to grow up and beat the living crap out of someone for a living -- and then get five minutes of well-earned rest.
"The rules were changed to help the European guys," he said. "Now it's more of a European style game than the North American brand we used to have and used to enjoy watching."
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
2-19-2008 @ 8:39AM
KC said...
Nice cheap shot on America in #1 - that took some real bravery. What's your military record, by the way?
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2-18-2008 @ 10:17AM
cole walker said...
Some of the fights were very interesting, however the one fight that TSN in Canada has been broadcasting is the fight between Maple Leafs Kurt Walker vs Bruins Stan Jonathan one of hockeys 2 toughest in real toe to toe. Also Kurt Walker and the Broad Strret Bullies. Could we see some of those?
Thanks You
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2-18-2008 @ 10:30AM
Greg Wyshynski said...
KC,
Why do you assume I was speaking about the military? And why get your panties in a bunch over a throwaway joke in a column about hockey fighting?
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2-18-2008 @ 10:47AM
Adam said...
how does Jay Miller not make this list... the only guy here that could even hang with him is Knuckles... what a joke...
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2-18-2008 @ 11:06AM
guy said...
T hi s is a n AO L fe at ure, b ut th e au tho r doe sn 't kn o w th at y outu be do esn' t w ork o n A OL
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2-18-2008 @ 12:32PM
Liam Maguire said...
I enjoyed the column. Kind of laughed at the start about the American Cup run, done with primarily Canadian born players but hey, whatever turns your crank. I love the fights, always have, always will. No question Jay Miller belongs on that list. He fought Kordic 13 times I believe and after a few early losses he did pretty good and really did a number on him in one of John's last fights as a Hab.
Liam Maguire
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2-18-2008 @ 12:38PM
Greg Wyshynski said...
Liam et al,
Thanks for the info on Miller. Might have been an oversight on my part. But the bottom line, sadly, is that as a U.S. hockey fan I'm not sure this list could have gone very far past a Top 15. There simply aren't enough quality brawlers from the States.
Thanks for reading...
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2-18-2008 @ 1:11PM
CG said...
Who is this guy that runs this site. I don't think you have a sniff of what hockey fighting is all about. Then you got a coment about America being weak! You probably never put on a pair of skates. I will put Brashear against anybody from NHL history. I think you need to find something elsr to write about.
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2-18-2008 @ 1:17PM
Kid C said...
Oversight? Jay Miller should be in the top 5 on this list, no doubt about it. What about Keith Tkachuk, Mike Milbury, Joel Otto, Jim Korn, Bill Guerin, Jeremy Roenick or Steve Rooney? Cam Janssen has 200 career PIM's. Do some research buddy!
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2-18-2008 @ 1:22PM
Greg Wyshynski said...
Kid C:
Cam Janssen has 200 career PIM's. Do some research buddy!
Thanks...not sure how that affects anything, considering I never made reference to his career PIMs...but thanks.
As for your list, I'll give you big Jimmy Korn, because that guy could throw down. The others you listed didn't fight enough. I was looking for volume here.
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2-18-2008 @ 6:15PM
Geyser said...
The debate will rage forever, Ban Fighting or let it continue. Those that say Fighting is part of the game. If fighting is outlawed the players will start using the Sticks. It's hard to say that would happen. If the Sticks start to be used in fights, I think Hockey will be doomed. Nobody wants to see someones Eye on the ice. Today's fights stem from the Trash Talking that goes on. Rarely is it protecting your Superstar. Fights also start when the game becomes onesided, a team leading by 5 or more goals frustrates the losing team. Although it is possible to come back losing by a wide margin, it doesn't happen often.
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2-18-2008 @ 1:46PM
mspear said...
I think it is tough to list all the good one's but you forgot a great one, Paul Holmgren! A feared member of the Broadstreet Bullies. He was too good a hockey player to be a goon but finished off plenty of goons.
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2-18-2008 @ 4:38PM
john said...
What about the one they made a movie about-Slap Shot-Jack Carlson- did a little clean up work on Fotiu
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2-21-2008 @ 4:00PM
j.gray said...
Kurt Fraser was a tough son of a gun and was U.S born
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2-19-2008 @ 11:17AM
Glenn Donahue said...
been a fight watcher for over 20 yrs.,they're like pizza,even a bad one is still not so bad,but bruisers holding on never looked great..kocur swung to hurt,Langdon could hold out in the longest of fights,Crowder got cut short,,good thing for other guys.John Ferguson,one tough ombre',Dave Brown,Probert,Twist,Ewen,Berube and guys like this are well missed..take the 5 and go home,,not these guys..
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2-19-2008 @ 11:18AM
Glenn Donahue said...
Good choice of fighters,room for discussion but thats that,waiting for the list of Canadian bruisers.
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2-19-2008 @ 6:33AM
Greg Wyshynski said...
Glenn,
As a Devils fan, the name Troy Crowder still brings a smile to my face. For my money, the devestating puncher I've ever seen live.
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2-19-2008 @ 9:10AM
Ferrari Bubba said...
BULLSHIT! This list is a scam. Youz guyz didn't even mention my two heros! The likeable, no, loveable HANSEN BROTHERS!
Yer pal, eh -- Ferrari Bubba
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2-20-2008 @ 7:35PM
Jackhammer said...
No question Jay Miller should be near the top of the list. I agree that Nilan should be first simply for the longevity factor and the fact that he wasn't all that big a guy but there was a about a five year span in the mid-late 80's to early 90's that Miller was right at the top of the league as far as fighting goes. I remember some of the memorable bouts between him and Kordic and Dave Brown (back when players hated each other) Not like now when they stop throwing punches if a guy gets knocked down.
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2-19-2008 @ 11:01AM
KD said...
I loved Nilan but he got beaten pretty easy by Fotiu when Nilan was with Montreal. Fotiu was much stronger than a guy like Nilan... he was built like an NFL Linebacker at the time. Dave Schultz said in his book "The Hammer" that he was afraid to fight Fotiu because he thought he may get really injured. Tim Hunter said Fotiu was the toughest and that when nick hit him the only thing that kept him from getting his head crushed was the helmet.
You forgot the only guy tougher and better with his hands than Fotiu.... Jack Carlson (Born in Minn). Fotiu said he was the toughest and best fighter period.
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