A week ago I thought that challenging the accuracy of a statement made by a member of the Tampa Bay Lightning front office would make for an interesting blog post. Now I'm thinking that the increasing opportunity for such challenges would make for an interesting blog. Or an interesting 24-hour cable news channel.One week after Bolts' veep of hockey ops Brian Lawton put Andrej Meszaros among the game's elite blueliners (on a sidenote, you've gotta at least appreciate a number two who's actually willing to talk to the press), Lightning owner Oren Koules announced to the world that his team has the best top two lines in hockey:
"We take a lot of pride in knowing our top six forwards, who we believe are the best top six forwards in the league, all have three years or more on their contracts."Assuming that the players to whom Koules is referring are Vincent Lecavalier, Martin St. Louis, Steve Stamkos, Vaclav Prospal, Ryan Malone and Radim Vrbata, is Koules accurate in his assessment, or is he just blowing smoke? Does he even have the top six forwards in the Southeast Division? Let's look at it position-by-position.
Left Wing: Tampa's got Prospal and Malone, a pair that combined for 60 goals and 62 assists in 2007-08. Interestingly, the 33-year-old Prospal's point totals over the last six seasons have been 55, 79, 54, 80, 55, 71, a pattern that would seem to predict a drop-off ahead. Malone is coming off a career year and may just be hitting his stride... or not -- his 27 goals were the most he has scored in a season at any level.
In Washington, Alexanders Ovechkin and Semin may very well be the best left wing teammates in the League, combining for 175 goals and 319 points over the last two seasons.
Carolina's Ray Whitney had 25 goals and 36 assists last season and Sergei Samsonov had 32 points in 38 games for the 'Canes after coming over from Chicago and giving his career a kickstart.
Advantage: Washington, and it's not even close.
Center: Lecavalier (40 goals, 52 assists last season) is unquestionably one of the League's best centers, and Stamkos was the no-brainer number one overall pick in last year's draft, but what should we expect going forward from this duo? Lecavalier is probably closer to the 40-goal scorer he was last year than the 52-goal man he was in 2006-07 (over his career he has averaged 32.5 goals per season), and Puck Daddy called for 50-plus points for Stamkos. I've projected him at 25-goals, 33-assists.
Up the coast in Carolina, Eric Staal and Rod Brind'Amour provide a powerful one-two punch up the middle, as Staal is one of just a dozen players with a 100-point season since the lockout and Brind'Amour has 133 points in his last 137 NHL games.
Continuing up I-95 to D.C., Nicklas Backstrom's phenomenal rookie season saw him tally 13 goals and 47 assists in his final 61 regular season games, and fellow Swede Michael Nylander has had the three best seasons of his career in terms of points-per-game since the lockout, totalling 199 points in 200 games (including a month-plus stretch last season during which he basically played with one healthy shoulder).
Advantage: Tampa, but it's close and it all depends on whether or not Stamkos is the real deal. If he struggles, the Bolts drop to third here real fast. It's also worth noting that the Lightning duo will likely have the worst plus/minus of the three tandems.
Right Wing: Last season, the 33-year-old St. Louis scored fewer goals, 25, than he had in any season since 2001-02 (though his assist total of 58 was good for seventh in the League). Free agent acquisition Vrbata (27 goals, 29 assists) is coming off career-highs in nearly every offensive category, besting his single-season high in goals by 50% and points by 36%.
Elsewhere down the right side in the Southeast, Washington features Viktor Kozlov and Chris Clark, each of whom has shone on opposite Ovechkin over the past two seasons -- Kozlov had 54 points and a plus-28 rating last season, and Clark had 30 goals in that spot in his last full season, back in 2006-07. Obviously one of them (or perhaps Brooks Laich (21 goals last season) or former two-time WHL 50-goal scorer Eric Fehr) will skate on the second line.
Down in Raleigh, Justin Williams has topped 30 goals in each of his full seasons since the lockout, and either Patrick Eaves or Tuomo Ruutu will try to fill the hole on the second line left by the departure of fan fave and perennial 50-60 point producer Erik Cole.
Advantage: Tampa. The Bolts have the division's best right wing and Vrbata's a solid second-liner.
The Verdict: If we look at the last full season played by each of Washington's top-six forwards (2007-08 for Ovechkin, Backstrom and Kozlov, 2006-07 for Nylander, Semin and Clark), the group totalled 189 goals and 256 assists. Doing the same for Carolina's top six (2007-08 for Staal and pro-rating what Samsonov did for the 'Canes, 2006-07 for Whitney, Brind'Amour, Williams and Eaves), the total is 173 goals and 241 assists.
Tampa's 2008-09 veteran top-six forwards -- each of whom played at least 76 games in 2007-08 -- produced 152 goals and 171 assists in the NHL last season (though not all of those stats came for the Bolts, obviously). Throw in the above projection for Stamkos to level things out, and you're at 177 goals and 204 assists.
For each of these teams, you've got a superstar surrounded by good talent at various stages of their respective careers. Some of the players above are entering their prime years, while others are bidding adieu to their best seasons (Tampa's top six forwards average 28.29 years of age, Washington's average 28.38 and Carolina's 29.90). Some will improve on their 2007-08 seasons, others will regress. If I had to pick a top six for 2008-09, I'd take the Caps, but in terms of offensive production it's close (Tampa is second and Carolina is third until they find or establish a legitimate second line RW). Beyond 2008-09? Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
The bigger picture bottom line, however, is that without even leaving the Southeast Division to look at teams that feature Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin or Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk and Marian Hossa or Dany Heatley, Jason Spezza and Daniel Alfredsson, it's pretty clear that Oren Koules' claim that Tampa has "the best top six forwards in the league" is dubious, at best. Which leaves a fairly interesting and obvious question on the table: which team has the best top-six forwards in the League today? Can anyone compete with Detroit for that title?
















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9-08-2008 @ 6:34AM
Colonial said...
The best top 6 forwards? I see a lot of question marks with this group for Koules to be making such a claim. Starting from the bottom:
Raim Vrbata - Wildly inconsistent. I don't think its a coincidence he had his best season right before becoming a UFA.
Ryan Malone - 27 goals isn't that impressive when you consider that he spent all of last year alongside either Crosby or Malkin. Fun Fact: Colby Armstrong (as a rookie, no less) was scoring at a pace of 27 goals a year alongside Sidney Crosby.
Vaclav Prospal - His inconsistency has already been mentioned. A decent option for the Bolts though considering his best seasons have been in Tampa. Then again the team has traded him like 4 or 5 times already so I won't be surprised if he is playing elsewhere by the all-star break.
Steven Stamkos - How big of an impact will he have right out of the gate? If I'm drafting for a fantasy team guys like Kyle Turris and Jonathon Toews are higher priorities based on what I have seen.
Martin St.Louis - solid player but it wasn't that long ago the team was willing to give up on him.
Vincent Lecavlier - The only true all-world talent on the team.
Note to Koules: having more than enough NHL-calibre forwards under contract does not mean you have the best group of forwards in the league, it means you are bad at math.
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9-08-2008 @ 11:54AM
Vince said...
Um, yeah...
I love how you bring up two teams as the top 2 top 6's neither of which are the Red Wings or the Penguins, which have the top 2 front 6 in the league.
The Red Wings top 6 make every other teams top 6 look like nothing....
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9-08-2008 @ 11:58AM
J.P. said...
Psst... Vince...
Not only do I mention both the Pens and the Wings, but I impliedly agree with you that the Wings have the best top six in the League at the end.
But the point of this post was to expose the silliness of Koules' claim by noting that he might not/doesn't even have the best top six in the division. I left the "Who has the best top six?" question to the reader.
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9-08-2008 @ 3:48PM
Zack said...
I agree the Red Wings undoubtedly have the best top 6 group of forwards in the leauge. Not only points wise but they are also the most complete players in the game. Can you imagine if for one shift at the end of the game you have a
Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Hossa line with Lidstrom and Rafalski playing behind them? I dont think any line in hockey would be able to score on those 5 guys. Then when you go past the big 3 forwards. You have Franzen and Holmstrom who are one of the best crease crashing tandems in the leauge (if not the best) and Hudler who despite limited ice time playing on the wings 4th line manged to put up 40 points.
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9-08-2008 @ 3:42PM
Zack said...
I agree the Red Wings undoubtedly have the best top 6 group of forwards in the leauge. Not only points wise but they are also the most complete players in the game. Can you imagine if for one shift at the end of the game you have a
Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Hossa line with Lidstrom and Rafalski playing behind them? I dont think any line in hockey would be able to score on those 5 guys. Then when you go past the big 3 forwards. You have Franzen and Holmstrom who are one of the best crease crashing tandems in the leauge (if not the best) and Hudler who despite limited ice time playing on the wings 4th line manged to put up 40 points.
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9-09-2008 @ 1:10PM
teej said...
very good point Vince. The Wings have undoubtedly the best top 6 in the league, and most likely the best lineup. Our depth and our ability to produce great 2-way players stems from all the way back to Steve Yzerman, especially Scotty Bowman's first year in Det. After mentioning Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, Hudler and Holmstrom you are also forced to throw in Filpulla, Draper, Maltby, Kopecky, etc, etc. As for defense, right behind Lidstrom (unarguably the best or second best defenseman to play the game, behind maybe Orr) and Rafalski you have Kronwall, Chelios (even though he'll only play about half the games), Lebda, Lilja, etc.
Also don't forget Abdelkader straight outta Michigan State, and Ericsson, another Swede who will rack up points this year.
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9-09-2008 @ 4:51PM
Bo said...
Nathan Horton is the best Right Wing in the Southeast.
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