
I'm just going to come right out and say it: Sidney Crosby is underrated. There. I said it. I said it because it had to be said. Somebody had to say it, and I'm saying it. The man the NHL force feeds down our throats on every broadcast, commercial and marketing campaign has become so overrated that he's actually underrated. And I'm completely serious.
I'll be the first to admit that I don't think he's even the best player on the Penguins, let alone the best player in the entire league. If I'm starting a team right now and can pick any player in the league I'm probably taking Evgeni Malkin or Alex Ovechkin over him. Crosby would be next, of course, and playing third fiddle to those two guys is similar to "only" being the third richest guy in the world. Not exactly a bad thing.
Honestly, you could throw their names into a hat, pick one out, and still come away quite satisfied with the player you were "stuck" with. It's a win-win-win situation. You can't lose.
Here's where I'm going with this, and the main reason that I've come to the seemingly impossible conclusion that Crosby is actually underrated: when players in the NHL are claiming that Patrick Kane is better, more talented, and more interesting than Crosby, he's officially become underrated. And not just underrated, but ridiculously underrated.
Overreaction to a small sampling of players? Absolutely. But the fact even one person has come to such a conclusion is enough for me.
I love Patrick Kane. I think he's one of the league's brightest young stars, a tremendous talent, and a guy the NHL should be marketing the crap out of -- along with Crosby, and Ovechkin, and Malkin etc. etc. etc. -- but he's not on the same planet as Crosby as a player right now. He may never be.
Earlier this season, in an interview with Dmitry Chesnokov, Washington Capitals forward Alexander Semin fired the opening shot when he said the following about Crosby:
What's so special about [Crosby]? I don't see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there's nothing else. Even if you compare him to Patrick Kane from Chicago ... [Kane] is a much more interesting player. The way he moves, his deking abilities, his thinking on the ice and his anticipation of the play is so superb.On Wednesday, Puck Daddy posted another Chesnokov interview, this time with Montreal's Sergei Kostitsyn. After pointing out that Kane was the most talented player in the NHL, he joined the Crosby is overrated bandwagon.
I think that if you take any player, even if he is "dead wood," and start promoting him, you'll get a star. Especially if he scores 100 points. No one is going to care about anyone else. No one is going to care whether he possesses great skill. Let's say you put someone in front of the net and let him deflect pucks in, and he scored 50 goals; everyone will say "Wow!" and then hand him a $10 million per year contract. That's what they like here.
And who is the most overhyped player?As I already mentioned above, I have no argument that Malkin and Ovechkin are better players. But the list ends there. When you actually take a look at what Crosby has accomplished in the first four years of his career it's actually quite incredible and should, objectively, end any debate.
It is probably Crosby, just like everyone says, just like Semin said recently. It is true that [he gets] a lot of attention. If you ask me, I think Semin and Ovechkin play much better than Crosby.
But you have to agree that Sidney Crosby is a great player with great skill. It's not for nothing he is considered one of the best players.
Yes, he is very technically skilled. But Semin, Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin are more technically skilled. And it's not because they are Russian, it's just my opinion.
In his second year in the league, for example, he took home the Art Ross Trophy as the league's leading scoring (120 points) and the Hart Trophy as the league MVP. Just for comparisons sake, Kane, in his second season, is currently 36th in the league in scoring and on pace for 80 points. Just saying.
The thinking in Pittsburgh right now is that Crosby is not having a "Crosby-type season."
And he's not. I've been guilty of speaking out on this as well. It's almost as if he's, for lack of a better word, spoiled us.
By the standards he's set for himself throughout his career he's actually having a down year. In terms of points per game, it's the second worst season of his career (he's currently averaging 1.35 points per game. He averaged 1.33 during his rookie season). Here's the funny thing about that: he's still second in the league in scoring.
Ahead of every player not named Malkin.
Look, I can understand why hockey fans outside of Pittsburgh look at the 21-year-old, the coverage he gets, and get annoyed. Especially when he didn't get any sort of punishment for his nut-punch of Atlanta's Boris Valabik. If Sean Avery, for example, had pulled the same stunt he probably would have been burned at the stake in Gary Bettman's back yard. And his fighting style certainly leaves plenty to be desired.
That stuff doesn't sit well with fans because it makes it look like there's some sort of double standard for star players. And you know what? There is. That's why Ovechkin doesn't get suspended for hits like this (right here) and Matt Cooke gets two games for them.
But let's not allow that to ignore the fact this is a guy that has already posted a pair of 100-point seasons (he was on pace for a third before his high ankle sprain a season ago) a scoring title, a league MVP, and played in the Stanley Cup finals in just his first three seasons in the league. Most players will go their entire careers and not reach any of those milestones, let alone all of them. And he has yet to hit his peak as a player. He's still only 21.
Being Boring Doesn't Help Him Win Fans
While a lot of fans loved the fact Semin was willing to speak his mind and, essentially, call Crosby overrated, and Ovechkin is praised for his flare, fire and intensity, Crosby can be mind-numbingly boring on and off the ice. And by "on" the ice, I mean after he scores goals. This, I think, hurts him with fans outside of Pittsburgh.
He doesn't slam himself into the glass, scream like a banshee, point at the opponents bench, or ride his stick around the ice like a horse after every goal. Maybe he should start.
He rarely speaks his mind in interviews, instead offering up standard cliche's such as, "he's entitled to his opinion," and "I just play my game." Stuff like that. Boring. All of it.
A week ago, San Jose Sharks forward Jeremy Roenick sounded off on young players in the league, including Crosby, about how there's too much "bitching and whining going on."
Just once, I wish Crosby would have responded with something like, I had no idea Jeremy Roenick was still in the league, or something along those lines.
It would have been perfect. I imagine people would have loved it (we eat up public feuds among athletes, for whatever reason). It might have resulted in a suspension from Bettman -- if history is any indicator, trash-talking is not allowed in Bettman's NHL -- but, man, it would have been worth it.
People still remember Patrick Roy's response to a Roenick tirade in the 1996 Western Conference Finals when he said "I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I've got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears."
That's comedy gold.
Greg Wyshynski, editor of Puck Daddy, has campaigned for Crosby to embrace the villain's role this season. On Wednesday, The Pens Blog echoed a similar sentiment in a post that is so amazing -- and terrifying at the same time -- that it makes my head hurt.
People have grown to hate Bing because he is a good-natured guy who was made into the face of the new NHL. Everyone now loves A.O. because he is the anti-Crosby. He has no pressure on him. This is where Bing needs to turn heel. In his next interview session, he needs to drop F-bombs and maybe even hit someone, possibly Rob Rossi or preferably Rich Walsh, with a steel chair.Exactly.
Either way, whether he embraces the role of NHL super-villain or continues on as the PC, say-all-the-right-things player we currently see, as long as there's a group of players that would place Patrick Kane over him, the NHL's media-darling is going to continue to be underrated.
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
1-29-2009 @ 9:39AM
RON said...
You must kidding Cindy gets plenty of accolades,plus the NHL turns the other cheek when it comes to Cindy.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 9:58AM
slutnuts said...
kovalchuk is one dimensional and semin is delusional.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 9:59AM
isles316 said...
He is literally the most overrated player in the NHL. Obviously he is very good and anyone would want him, but he isn't even the best player on his team. I'll take Malkin and Ovechkin anyday over him.
Plus, he is turning into a cheap shot artist and cry baby.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 10:53AM
Maj said...
Crosby in not even close to the best player in the league. I would not even have to think twice about taking Ovechkin him. Definitely way overrated and overhyped. He cannot take over a game like Ovechkin can.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 11:21AM
Bruce Ciskie said...
You guys realize you all missed the point, right?
I mean, seriously. Try reading the post again. Actually, based on these comments, you should read it a first time before you comment on it.
Especially the multiple parts where Gretz says both Malkin and Ovechkin are better.
Coming back and arguing to him that Malkin and Ovechkin are better doesn't do a lot of good when HE ALREADY SAID THAT.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 2:13PM
JJ The Third said...
Atta boy, Gretz, Good column. I agree -- Crosby is totally underrated now, just because people don't like him and are tired of having him thrust in their faces. But hey, people, it's not like Sid asked to be a media darling. He was just so good as a kid that it was unavoidable.
The vision/speed/athleticism he shows at his age is astounding. Yes, Ovechkin and Malkin are better right now, but they're also older (Ovie by two years, Malkin by one). At Crosby's age, an extra year or two can mean a lot.
Regular 100-point seasons for a 20-year-old shouldn't be ignored...
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 2:39PM
BladesofSteel said...
Lol...i love how this article went right over the heads of the posters above me.
Try reading before u jump to conclusions. Better yet, just keep spitting out the same old Crosby sucks lines. You just proved his point for him.
Reply
2-03-2009 @ 6:16PM
fredodeservedit said...
No one said Crosby sucked. But he's not the Great One, Mario, Stevie Y, Orr, all wrapped into one. The NHL is marketed so piss poor, most non-hockey people think he's already better than the all-time greats.
And to the mensa-zips that responded to my post, with stats and MVP garbage? Who cares about any of that if you don't win.
There's a reason no hockey players care about winning the Pres trophy. There's a reason no one wants to touch the conf trophies. Real hockey is about winning the Cup, not 100-pt seasons.
ps: Put Crosby on the Islanders and let him win an MVP, then tell me how great he is.
1-29-2009 @ 3:16PM
tbbolts35 said...
I think Crosby is an incredible player. I do have a hard time when everyone keeps saying he is the best in the league. Yes he has put up great numbers in a short time, but what else does he have to show for it? When he can take his team to the finals AND WIN, then we can start talking about being the best in the league. This happened to Lecavalier. Vinny has become a great player and its not just because he won the cup. He leads by example and is willing to take on anyone. I think this started when he fought Iginla in the finals. Sid is a baby and whines about everything, and he is always getting hurt. I dont know if he can make it through an entire season without getting hurt the rest of his career.
Reply
1-30-2009 @ 1:16AM
schtickish.com said...
tbbbolts35 - Wow where do I start with you. That is absolutely ridiculous. First of all, Crosby's been injured only once in his career, and he's missed 1 game this season because of a knee injury.
Don't even get me started with this ridiculous Lecavalier comparison. Crosby put up 102 points his rookie season as an 18-year old then won the MVP and Art Ross, something Lecavalier has never done, in just his 2nd season with 120 points. Then in his 3rd year he led the team to the Stanley Cup finals and his team came within 2 goals and a win of the Stanley Cup.
In his first 4 years in the league, Lecavalier was a bust in his rookie season with only 28 points and never put up more than 78 points until his 5th year in the league.
In his 4th season he put up a measly 37 points in 76 games.
By the way there's absolutely no way in HELL that the 2004 Tampa Bay Lightning would have beaten the 2008 Red Wings. It's a hypothetical of course, but that Red Wings team that beat the Pens was much better than the 2004 Lightning and Flames teams. And Lecavalier wasn't even your 2nd best player in the playoffs that year - Brad Richards and Marty St. Louis were. Vinny had a modest 16 points in 23 games. In contrast, Crosby had 27 points to tie Zetterberg for the league lead in the playoffs last spring.
Now as far as leading by example and being a leader, Crosby's numbers in that regard tell you everything you need to know. He cares about winning more than anyone I've ever seen in the NHL and probably deserved to be captain midway through his 2nd season. Vinny, meanwhile, was stripped of the captaincy in his 4th season in the league, something that most likely never will happen to Sid, who puts an incredible effort night in and night out and has never gone more than 3 games in a row without a point.
So stop listening to the Chief on Sun Sports and actually start watching some other teams other than the Bolts. Lecavalier is a great player, a 50-goal scorer and one of my favorites, he's excellent now and matured into a great leader, no doubt, but his resume through his first 10 seasons in the league pales in comparison to what Crosby has done for the Pens and the NHL through less than 4 seasons.
1-29-2009 @ 6:17PM
Tim said...
I'm buying what you're selling on this. Very good points. I think the whole NHL fan base is off when they agree that Patrick Kane is better than Crosby. I think fans get to see only a small part of a person's game and makes horrible assumptions based on that. Oh well, this is an easy topic to rant about, but I agree with this post. I would love to see some emotion come from Crosby at any time, not just goals. I think in all of sports there is too much politics now and not enough I'm going to say what I want and deal with it.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 6:19PM
AdamGretz said...
Just one thing to keep in mind: I'm not suggesting the entire fan base thinks Patrick Kane is better than Crosby, I simply picked Kane's name because he's been mentioned by two different players (Semin and Kostitsyn) as being more talented than Crosby. Which is crazy.
1-29-2009 @ 11:35PM
Tim said...
I understand what you're saying but in my conversations with other people and when you read the comments people have left after the PuckDaddy's blog, there are still a lot of people who agree with Semin and S. Kostitsyn. I still think a lot of fans already have a preconceived notion of who Crosby is and it doesn't matter what he does, he's a whiner, a crier, etc.
2-01-2009 @ 3:25PM
Bengui said...
He is so underrated that every time someone post an article about him, people jump straight to the comments section and say "Crosby sucks" before even reading the article.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 7:25PM
sponte said...
Here's the thing....Roberto Clemente got a lot of press, especially late in his career, but only Pittsburgh fans who saw him play all the time knew just how great he was, how many different baseball skills he mastered, how quietly and efficiently he played the game. Its the same with Sidney Crosby. Watch him every game and you know he has mastered more skills than anyone currently playing. Okay, he doesn't have the overpowering slapshot and he may never score two hundred points. But his combination of offensive and defensive skills are far superior to any current player. He scores as well or better than Ovechkin or Malkin and plays defense better than both. You can bitch and moan about him all you want, but he is the very best in the league. Next subject?
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 7:26PM
ruce226 said...
"Are you kidding me with the Crosby love.
Ovechkin is better.
Zetterberg is more accomplished.
Pavel could skate circles around him.
Oh, and none of those players fight like girls."
Ovechkin shoots the puck more (and better) than Sid. Zetterberg is almost 30. Datsyuk couldn't hold Sid's jock when it comes to skating.
Now the "fight like girls" part: Mike Richards kicked OV's ass in a fight and he's turtled ever since. And show me how many fighting majors Z and Datsyuk have.
It's a shame that the ill informed like you try to fire off from the hip when all you do is read the banner. Watch some hockey sometime, you might learn something.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 8:02PM
dsted44 said...
Very well put.
People that say he is over hyped or not as good as Ovie, I can deal with.
People that say he sucks, or that Semin or Kane is better than him... watch hockey.
Reply
1-29-2009 @ 8:06PM
dsted44 said...
Ok, to justify my previous comment, at least the "watch hockey" part... let it be noted that Canadian fans don't boo him, and recognize that he is great.
If the fanbase in Atlanta thinks he sucks, and the fans in Toronto don't... guess who's right.
1-29-2009 @ 9:38PM
megawheel said...
tbbolts35: mario lemieux NEVER played a full season in his entire career. and i am not suggesting that sid is anywhere close to mario, cause he is not. just that your idiotic comments prove how far the anti-crosby crowd will fall all over themselves to show how dumb they are. as stated above, sid is no less than the 3rd best player in the league. personally, i'd have 2nd behind geno, and above the more one dimensional ovechkin. long term it won't be as close. malkin and sid will outproduce the rest of their generation. ovechkin will be the next bure/lindros--a GOOD player that wasn't great and that had to retire early because of injury.
Reply
1-30-2009 @ 12:56AM
LGP8771 said...
You're such a typical jealous hater with zero knowledge of the game. What pathetic commentary.
Crosby, being a year younger, has the same points per game than Ovechkin. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are in their late 20's and aside from their Stanley Cup win, Crosby's accomplished a lot more in this league in 3 years than they have in their careers at this point.
Neither one of them have had an MVP season or won the scoring title. Crosby has.
And he was tied for the league in points last year when he went down with a high ankle sprain and is 2nd only to Malkin this year.
Ovechkin is a much better goal scorer than Sid - or anyone in the NHL - but the jury is definitely still out on which one of these 2 great players is better.
Stop the hate. And if you're sick of hearing about Crosby, take it up with the NHL, not Sid.
Reply