
The Detroit Red Wings begin their title defense on Thursday night against the upstart Columbus Blue Jackets. If you live in the greater Detroit area, and have a couple hundred dollars burning a hole in your pocket, you can still find seats in Joe Louis Arena. There are so many seats available, in fact, that the Red Wings actually reached out to their opponent's fan club in an effort to fill the building. What the heck is going on in Hockeytown?
This isn't exactly a new problem in Detroit, as the Red Wings struggled to sell tickets during last season's playoffs when the team claimed its 11th Stanley Cup, and fourth in the past 11 years. During the Stanley Cup Final, for example, Joe Louis Arena was overrun by thousands of Penguins fans willing to make the short four hour drive from Pittsburgh.
There are several theories as to why so many tickets are available, ranging from the current economic crisis -- which is particularly difficult in the state of Michigan -- combined with the ridiculous cost of tickets, to what can be called, for lack of a better phrase, the "Atlanta Braves Syndrome," where the local fans are so used to winning that they are simply bored with opening-round playoff games.
Let's face it, this is the Detroit Red Wings we're talking about here. That name is synonymous with winning in the NHL, and playing deep into May and early June is not only expected, it's often times a given.
According to Steve Wartenberg in Wednesday's Columbus Dispatch, the Red Wings were actually reaching out to Blue Jackets fans -- Detroit's opening-round opponent! -- to purchase seats for games 1 and 2 in Joe Louis Arena. Seriously. Not only were they offering the official fan club tickets, they were offering them tickets at a discounted price. From Wartenberg:
Seats are so available that Red Wings officials called the Jacket Backers -- the team's official fan club -- and offered a group discount. A very bad Detroit-area economy also is hurting sales.As I'm writing this post at 11:52 PM ET, Wednesday night, less than 24 hours before the drop of the puck in game 1, I decided to take a journey over to the Red Wings official website and do a search for tickets. After requesting the best available pair in the arena, the first option returned to me was two seats in section 125, right along the goal line, 14 rows from the glass, for $105 per seat. I can get six seats together in section 226B for $75 a pop. If that price is too steep for you, Fox Sports and Tim Horton's are offering $30 tickets for games 1 and 2. As of right now, I can grab two in section 226C, row six, seats 24 and 25.
I also talked to FanHouse NFL editor, and Detroit native, Chris Burke about this on Wednesday, and he agreed with the theory that it's a combination of a sour economy, high-priced tickets and, at least in some part, the "spoiled fan factor."
"The obvious is that the economy is just terrible," said Burke. "I actually think that ticket sales might eventually be better in the playoffs, if they get out of round 1, because of less money being spent on the Pistons and Tigers. But they have been to the playoffs for almost two straight decades, so there's a bit of a spoiled-fan factor, for sure. That, plus the fact that the Wings seem to either go deep into the playoffs, or get upset in the first round, so there's more nervousness than excitement early on."
On a personal note, I purchased two seats to game 1 of the Final a year ago, from the Red Wings, for $190 a seat (face value). We were five rows from the roof, not even close enough to see octopi splatter on the ice prior to the opening face off. Throw in a couple of $8.00 Molson's and a Little Caeser's personal pan pizza, and, well, that's a car payment for two months (though, I'd make the trip again in a second, without hesitation).
Prior to game 1, as legions of Penguins fans converged on the glass to watch warm-up's, I remember asking an usher how this happened, and why the Red Wings didn't do anything to prevent it -- it's not hard to limit ticket sales from the team to a certain area -- and his response was somewhat surprising. Basically, and I'm paraphrasing here because this was nearly a year ago, he said they considered limiting sales to the Michigan area, but ultimately decided against it out of fear that the games would not sell out.
In case you're interested, tickets four rows into the upper deck for this year's Stanley Cup Final would cost $210 per seat.
Meanwhile, Blue Jackets fans seem interested in taking advantage of the situation in an effort to see the first playoff game in franchise history. Fans at forums such as the Hockey's Future message boards and The NHL Arena are already talking up their potential presence at the Joe.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman made an appearance between periods of Wednesday's Penguins-Flyers game, talking about how league revenue has increased "four-to-five percent this year," and how ticket sales and season ticket renewals were going extremely well. He made no mention of the somewhat depressing situation in Detroit, home of the model franchise in the NHL, where playoff tickets are so readily available.
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
4-16-2009 @ 11:41AM
moore0102 said...
Wow, great story, haven't heard this one before.
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4-16-2009 @ 11:47AM
John said...
Man that is just an awful article. High priced tickets? Really? I'd be willing to bet that the Wings have the cheapest playoff tickets of ANY team in the league. Tickets for Vancouver START at over $100 and the most expensive for Detroit are $120. Even in your own damn article you say they are offering seats at $30, is that too high for you? I have tickets for Game 5 of the first round for $60 of row 13 of the upper bowl, dead center ice, and I can't wait to go. The Joe isn't that big, I had row 15 last year of the upper deck and we were really close. Get a frickin clue man, and please, no more articles on the Wings from you, stick to the Pens, at least you have half a clue on them.
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4-16-2009 @ 11:54AM
AdamGretz said...
And yet, Hockeytown is still basically giving away tickets to the other team's fans. There's definitely a series of problems, ticket prices are one of them, especially in an area like Detroit where the economy is in the tank (even worse than it is in other parts of the country).
Yeah, there's $30 dollar tickets ... but how many?
Are you surprised that less than 24 hours before face off for the first game of the playoffs for the defending Stanley Cup Champions you can still get seats 14 rows from the glass? How many other cities can you do that in right now? I'm betting not many (if any).
4-16-2009 @ 12:10PM
John said...
Actually lots, they sold A LOT of $30 tickets in the previous weeks for these games starting the day they first went on sale. I was just checking, and I got multiple seats (between rows 6 and 11, upper bowl)for $30, all of which correspond to the $75 price range. I think that's a pretty good deal. I'm sorry, but I get sick and tired of every year this same article is put out by some genious who thinks he's coming up with some novel idea. Michigan's economy has been in trouble for a long time, I know some of you in other parts of the country think this recession is something that just happened in the last year, but we have been feeling it for many, many years, and you people pointing it out every damn year doesn't help anyone. You don't seem to understand that if people are on the fence about going to the Joe this Spring, and they read this article, they may think, well he says they're over priced, so I'm not going. How about someone gives the Wings and their sponsor's (Tim Hortons and Fox Sports Detroit in this case) some credit for opening a lot, and I mean a lot, of seats up for $30, which is less than they are for the regular season. Wait, I know why, because negative stuff gets attention. Bravo.
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4-16-2009 @ 12:16PM
AdamGretz said...
I mentioned the $30 tickets (and the fact they're still available, as of right now, seven hours before the drop of the puck) and I also mentioned the possibility that, based on the Red Wings recent run of success, that fans just may not be interested in opening round playoff games as much as they are in other cities (like Columbus, for example). Regardless of what the issue is, I think it's a pretty big problem for the league that the defending Stanley Cup Champions have to offer discounted tickets to the other team's fans for playoff games. Do you not agree?
4-16-2009 @ 12:10PM
nicholasmitchum said...
GO JACKETS!!!!!! Well if they aren't excited the Blue Jackets fans are. This is our first playoff game EVER!!! I couldn't by ticket to the Columbus home game 1 minute after sales started. Now there are just scalped tickets available. Let's go for a sweep!!!!
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4-16-2009 @ 12:16PM
Mike said...
They will not SWEEP the Red Wings
4-16-2009 @ 12:18PM
Chris Burke said...
I'll also say that if Columbus, St. Louis and especially Chicago can stay competitive for a while, that would definitely help -- Detroit's basically had the division locked up by December for every year in recent memory. There's no regular-season drama and, since the Avs fell apart, no rivalry for Detroit anymore. It's hard to switch the excitement switch on come April when there's been no tangible reason to watch games for months.
There's also a different feel around the team since Steve Yzerman retired -- like people in Pittsburgh go to watch Crosby, or people in Washington go to watch Ovechkin, that's what it was like with Yzerman in Detroit, except he basically saved the franchise as well. Mix in the Russian Five and that 2002 team that had like 10 Hall of Famers, and the Wings used to generate such a huge buzz across the state. Now, no offense to great players like Lidstrom, Datsyuk or Zetterberg, but there's not as much connection between the fans and players as there was before, right or wrong.
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4-16-2009 @ 12:40PM
John said...
Yeah it's a problem Adam, but my problem with this article(and every other version of this article that people write every year, to be fair) is that it makes it sound like Wing's fans don't care enough to go to the games, and that is SO not true. The latest unemployment numbers for Michigan just came out, and 1 out of 8 people in the start are without a job, and with the automaker's problems right now, it ain't gonna go down for a long time. People here have to pick their spots to spend money, and yeah when you have a team like the Wings that are expected to win the Cup, some people are saving their money to go to a later round, cause they can't afford to go to every game. But please, spare me the line that the playoff ticket prices are too high, like I said before, I'll bet they are among the cheapest (if not the cheapest) in the league for the playoffs this year. I'm just so tired of people kicking our state while we're down.
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4-16-2009 @ 12:47PM
moore0102 said...
Exactly John. How many times have we read this story? 1000? We know about the issues, it isn't anything new.
The Wings are still in the top five in attendance.
4-16-2009 @ 12:45PM
AdamGretz said...
John, I'm not trying to kick the state while it's down, and I enjoyed my time in Detroit and the experience at the Joe, and, honestly, I don't think we're far off here ... it's not JUST the ticket prices (I think they're high across the league, not just in Detroit ... you mentioned Vancouver STARTING at $100.00 ... that's too high, in my opinion) it's a combination of tickets, the economy, and, like you mentioned, people saving to go to later round games.
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4-16-2009 @ 12:46PM
Douglas said...
As mentioned earlier in these writings, there are several factors. I would place them in this order along with my reasoning:
Economy:
Especially in Michigan, the economy is really poor. Even with $30.00 seats,take a family of four, throw in the drinks/food & parking and you are talking at least $200.00. That's groceries for a week for some families.
Lackidaisical Fans early on:
I use to experience this myself with the Canadians. At one time, they were always going deep in the playoffs. I figured that I'll save my money until deeper in the rounds when the hockey even gets better and more challenging.
The state of Hockey:
Any true hockey fan knows that the second season (playoffs) is the best hockey you will see. So to say that the league's popularity is going down, I disagree. Maybe tv based fans might decrease because the puck has always been hard to follow for the amateur viewer, but attendance at the games,No! I really believe its the above two.
Those are my "two cents"
Anyways, although I know they are not going to go far in the playoffs, I have to say it!
GO CANADIANS
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4-16-2009 @ 12:59PM
John said...
Adam, it's just like I mentioned before, if you lived in Michigan, and had to read this article, not just every year, but pretty much before and during every SERIES or every year, you'd understand why I, and others get upset and comment on it. There isn't anything fundamentally wrong in your article (although I disagree with the ticket prices thing, but I digress), but it's nothing original.
Not to mention us Wings fans are VERY stressed this time of year, the same factors that lead some of us (not me, I'm going to round 1) to not go to early round games (the fact we're here every year and expect to win every year) gets us very, very on edge about the early round games.
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4-16-2009 @ 1:00PM
AdamGretz said...
Fair enough, John. Thanks for reading.
4-16-2009 @ 1:34PM
John said...
btw, take a look at this video from round 1 of last year and then let anyone try to tell me Wings fan's don't show up for early round games or that they don't care:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGo98fZt_N8
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4-20-2009 @ 11:07AM
LordMetal1 said...
If the Blue Jackets don't start playing better win at least the first home game. A lot of people will be selling their game 4 tickets because they won't want to see the sweep. Especially if they need the money. I'm a Blue Jackets fan. I cannot believe the lack of competitiveness in the Blue Jackets. I guess they're just happy to be there and don't even care if they win a game. I have tickets to the home games and I will go. I hope they wake up and realized they have very few chances left to keep from embarrassing themselves. They can beat Detroit and make it a competitive series. I'm just not sure they're going to do it.
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