
We're a little less than 24 hours removed from Friday's Red Wings-Blackhawks game, which saw Chicago claw its way back into the series with a 4-3 overtime win, while a lot of the debate has been centered around Niklas Kronwall's devastating hit on Martin Havlat.
While Havlat was knocked six ways from Tuesday, Kronwall was issued a five-minute major and a game misconduct for interference which set off a firestorm of discussion around the hockey blogosphere and message boards. Was it interference? Was it charging? Was it a legal, clean hit? We asked the NHL for comment.
In case you haven't seen it yet, here's the video one more time:
Since the call on the ice was interference, it's worth taking a look at the NHL rule book and its many definitions of interference. I don't know what the referees were looking at or what they saw on the ice as the play was unfolding, but it's obvious on the replay that Havlat never actually touched the puck, which would seem to bring to question the "possession of the puck" aspect of the rule.
The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.If I'm understanding this correctly, Havlat, having never touched the puck, would not be the player with possession. Instead, the player with possession would actually be Detroit defenseman Brad Stuart, who shot the puck off the end boards prior to Havlat getting hit. So, the question now becomes: if Havlat touches the puck, instead of having it go between his feet, does the interference penalty still get called?
I posed this question to the NHL seeking some clarification and received this response from John Dellapina, director of media relations:
"While I haven't spoken to the officials and can't speak for their thinking," said Dellapina via e-mail. "You have the interference part right. Interference is defined as impeding or fouling a player who does not possess the puck (or wasn't the last to recently possess it). You technically can't interfere with a puck-carrier (though you obviously can be penalized for fouling him in many other ways). Hockey doesn't permit blocking."
In March, we saw New York Rangers forward Colton Orr get five minutes and a game misconduct for interfering with Pittsburgh Penguins defenseman Mark Eaton, knocking him out of the game (oddly enough, Dave Jackson was one of the officials in this game, as well as Friday's game in Chicago). By rule, when an interference penalty is severe enough to cause an injury, the referees are allowed to issue a five-minute major, and once the major penalty is issued, the game misconduct becomes automatic.
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Goalie Cristobal Huet #38 of the Chicago Blackhawks makes a save against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Cristobal Huet
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Goalie Nikolai Khabibulin #39 of the Chicago Blackhawks makes a save against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Nikolai Khabibulin
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Dustin Byfuglien #33 of the Chicago Blackhawks is restrained as he yells at Niklas Kronwall #55 of the Detroit Red Wings after Kronwall delievered a hard check on Martin Havlat #24 (C lying on the ice being tended to by medical personnel) of the Blackhawks during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Dustin Byfuglien;Martin Havlat;Niklas Kronwall;Duncan Keith
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Head coach Joel Quenneville of the Chicago Blackhawks yells from behind the bench against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Joel Quenneville;Patrick Sharp;Samuel Pahlsson
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Goalie Nikolai Khabibulin #39 of the Chicago Blackhawks gives up a goal to Jonathan Ericsson #52 of the Detroit Red Wings during the second period of Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Nikolai Khabibulin
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Patrick Sharp #10 and Cam Barker #25 of the Chicago Blackhawks celebrate after Sharp scored the game-winning goal in overtime to win 4-3 against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Patrick Sharp;Cam Barker
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Patrick Sharp #10 of the Chicago Blackhawks acknowledges the fans after he was named the #1 start of the game against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jim Prisching/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Patrick Sharp
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Andrew Ladd #16 (R) and Duncan Keith #2 of the Chicago Blackhawks celebrate after Ladd scored a goal in the first period against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Andrew Ladd;Duncan Keith
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Goalie Nikolai Khabibulin #39 of the Chicago Blackhawks hangs his head as he stands in goal against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Nikolai Khabibulin
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CHICAGO - MAY 22: Patrick Sharp #10 of the Chicago Blackhawks acknowledges the fans after he was named the #1 start of the game against the Detroit Red Wings during Game Three of the Western Conference Championship Round of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoffs on May 22, 2009 at the United Center in Chicago, Illinois. The Blackhawks won 4-3 in overtime. (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Patrick Sharp
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That call -- and the rule -- prompted us to seek out a discussion with NHL's director of officiating, Stephen Walkom, who clarified the major penalty for interference by saying: "In terms of that call, a year ago the general managers decided that in our rule book we always had a minor penalty for interference. Someone asked the question one day, 'What happens if a player doesn't play the puck, gets hit, and gets injured ... Shouldn't that be a major penalty? And a game misconduct?' So, the major penalty and a game misconduct were added to the rule book last year. It was approved by the competition committee, the board of governors and the general managers first."
Assuming all of this is correct, that seems to be, in my opinion, a flaw with the interference penalty in this particular case. Technically speaking the call seems to be correct: Havlat never touched the puck and he was on the receiving end of a violent hit, knocking him out of the game. On the other hand, the puck is right there at his feet. He's the only player that can actually play it at that point, shouldn't that be enough to determine "possession?"
Some people, like Seth Rorabaugh of the Post Gazette's Empty-Netters blog (via Puck Daddy) felt the call should have been charging, which was the side of the fence I was initially leaning toward. In the end, the result would have been the same.
43.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner. Charging shall mean the actions of a player or goalkeeper who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.
















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5-23-2009 @ 4:09PM
John said...
It wasn't a charge, Kronwall never left his feet, it wasn't an elbow, and it certainly wasn't interference.
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5-23-2009 @ 5:56PM
Jan Barkman said...
First of all, as the article points out, a charging call can be made without the charging player's feet leaving the ice. This baloney about feet leaving+ the ice is a myth.
I don't know whether you watched the replay or not, but it clearly shows Kronwall leading with his elbow towards Havlat's head. Thus, the call could have been labeled charging (Kronwall took several strides to apply the violent hit) or elbowing or even interference, since Havlat never touched the puck and therefore was not in posseion of the puck. Either way, since Havlat was injured and knocked out of the game, a five minute major is correct.
BTW, I am Swedish and have been involved in hockey most of life as a player, coach general manager and referee. In no way can I condone the violent hit by Kronwall, who is known to be a dirty player.
5-23-2009 @ 8:47PM
John said...
Actually Jan, look at the pic link I posted a few comments down. Kronwall's elbow is DOWN and it was his shoulder that made contact. You might wanna have your facts straight before telling me I'm wrong, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
5-23-2009 @ 4:13PM
John said...
Oh, and here's a clear pic of why there was no infraction on the play:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KQkmYfG5atE/Shdwf-GxjjI/AAAAAAAAAHo/rbS1x-YEiNI/s800/kronwall_havlat.jpg
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5-24-2009 @ 10:31AM
Amber said...
That was a great link. That is how I saw it, but it all went so fast I wasn't quite sure. I'm not sure what kind of call should have been made. Everything looked fairly clean. Havlat looks like he just hit a brick wall. It was just a hit that he never saw coming.
5-24-2009 @ 2:07PM
John said...
Yeah, it's a lot better look than the one Adam decided to post that makes it look so much worse. Problem is, that pic is well after contact, and Kronner's skates are off the ice after he lost his balance. It was clean, no question.
5-23-2009 @ 4:13PM
billyp01 said...
and what do we teach all young hockey players? KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
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5-23-2009 @ 4:23PM
John said...
Oh, and to clarify, Kronwall didn't leave his feet until after contact, so that's why it's not charging.
And also, how come Byfuglien didn't get 5 minutes for elbowing/forearming Kronwalls head into the glass as retaliation?
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5-23-2009 @ 5:20PM
rwing said...
To Josh and Dr. Huxtable....see my comments on "Kronwall Ejected for Iffy Hit...". Enjoy the hockey guys and gals!!!!!
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5-23-2009 @ 5:31PM
thockey58 said...
Another crapy call that was cooked up after the play. NOT a bad hit just good, rough hockey.
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5-23-2009 @ 6:46PM
Sandi said...
Pitiful call, welcome to the ice capades. This refereeing crew needs to be suspended or fined very heavily.
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5-23-2009 @ 8:03PM
King Larry said...
Barkman, I am not swedish, I live in Canada and have been a player, coach, manager, and referee. I would have called it a charge or interference at most. Kronwall as far as I know, is not known as a dirty player, just a physical one. If he was playing for you, you might have a different opinion. Remember, hockey is a contact sport!
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5-24-2009 @ 12:17AM
jimwsr65 said...
Hey Jan Barkman i have no idea what replay you watched but Kronwell had his elbow down and it was the upper arm shoulder area that done all the damage "NOT HIS ELBOW" get your facts right.
Plus i look at it this way, Hockey is a hard hitting sport and anyone and everyone knows if you play the game and you put your head down at anytime you might get it knocked off. And the likely hood of that happening in the playoff's is even greater. Now i am a Red Wings fan but i am also a fan of the sport and if the hockey powers to be keep changing the rules the way they have over the last few years, You can't touch the other player if he is doing this you can't touch them if he is doing that, your feet can't be in the crease or touching the line no wait the wrong team won now you can have your feet in the crease as long as you don't touch the goalie no wait the wrong team won again lets change it again, The sport is starting to get a little boring at times and if they keep changing the rules the way they are you will soon see all the players wearing Pink uniforms with tampons for thier shoulder pads. and i have to ask what is the next rule change going to be 5 minute major and a game misconduct for shooting the puck at the goalies? Bring back Oldtime hockey or atleast what we had 10 years ago and let them play the game.
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5-24-2009 @ 10:31AM
RJD said...
O,how right you are.Let them play the game like before the strike.Now,a little tuck on the hip and you sit for a couple,smash the head or body in the boards,nothing is called.Gave up my season tickets of 24 years,cause can't stand the "new" game
5-24-2009 @ 11:40AM
qongquest said...
all the hockey analysts on both versus and hockey night in canada said that it was a clean hit, no penalty should have been called. course with datsyuk out and kronwall ejected it was the only way for chicago to win.
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5-25-2009 @ 8:24PM
Greg said...
So if Kronwall should have received charging, how about a call against Byfuglien for the same by subsequently hitting Kronwall, who did not possess the puck either?
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5-24-2009 @ 5:18PM
John said...
Clean hit. Chicago crime bosses must have paid off the NHL officials.
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